The Grenfell inquiry is uncomfortable viewing

  oresome 19:17 26 Jun 2018

I've watched some of the Grenfell inquiry and feel for the fire office who is being questioned at the moment.

He is being taken through events minute by minute, yet in reality he had little concept of time and was being bombarded with inputs from his team, members of the public and his own visual experiences throughout.

I'm waiting for the same clinical analysis of the manufacturers, specifiers, designers and installers of the various products and the owners and maintainers of the building who weren't under such stressful conditions when they made various decisions that contributed to the outcome.

  bumpkin 21:36 26 Jun 2018

feel for the fire office who is being questioned at the moment.

Being questioned by those that were not there and are clueless of the real circumstances. No dought being paid very well though.

  Forum Editor 23:07 26 Jun 2018

bumpkin The people who are asking the questions are doing their jobs - they are there to try to get a clear picture of what did, or did not happen. What they are paid is totally irrelevant, as is the fact that they were not there on the night - The whole point of a public inquiry is to find out the facts.

I feel for the fire officer who is being questioned - he was quite obviously far out of his depth with this fire, and it wasn't his fault - he had not been trained to manage a situation as serious as this one. He'll be questioned again tomorrow, and I'm sure that the experience - both of the fire, and of the way he has had to re-live the events of that night will haunt him for the rest of his life. He knows he was not properly prepared for the job he was faced with, but I'm sure that he did his best.

Perhaps on reflection you might feel it would be better to focus on those who died,those who were involved in the events of that night, and those who have to live with the aftermath rather than making petty sniping remarks about how much lawyers are paid.

  morddwyd 10:22 27 Jun 2018

They have obviously already found their scapegoat.

This man was totally out of his depth and will be hung out to dry.

I would already be looking at corporate manslaughter charges, but I shall be surprised to see any convictions. Anyone at risk of such charges will already be lawyered up and well distanced!

Cynical?

Moi?

  wee eddie 10:57 27 Jun 2018

Mdd - a question for you.

How are they going to find out what happened, if they don't question him in every detail?

  Gordon Freeman 11:33 27 Jun 2018

*This man was totally out of his depth and will be hung out to dry. I would already be looking at corporate manslaughter charges, but I shall be surprised to see any convictions.*

Worth noting however that this is an inquiry; not a trial.

  Forum Editor 15:59 27 Jun 2018

"Worth noting however that this is an inquiry; not a trial."

Exactly. The object of the inquiry is to discover facts - what comes out of the process is, if it is conducted thoroughly, a clearer idea of what led to the events of that evening, how it developed, and what, if anything, could have been done to prevent it or alter its outcome.

It's not about finding scapegoats, it's about getting at the truth. Public inquiry reports rarely, if ever, provide satisfaction for everyone involved, but let's wait until the report stage before we jump to all sorts of conclusions.

  morddwyd 20:14 27 Jun 2018

M**dd - a question for you. How are they going to find out what happened, if they don't question him in every detail?**

Why do you think I would be able to answer such a question, and why shouldn't they question him in derail, the first professional on the scene?

Worth noting however that this is an inquiry; not a trial.

Not relevant in this context.

It's not about finding scapegoats,

You and I both know you are not that naive!

  Forum Editor 22:27 27 Jun 2018

morddwyd

"You and I both know you are not that naive!"

That's not an answer to anything. This public inquiry is certainly not about a hunt for a scapegoat - you're the one who is naive if you think anyone would ever get away with it.

  morddwyd 07:23 28 Jun 2018

We shall see!

  Forum Editor 13:02 28 Jun 2018

We shall not see for some time yet - the inquiry has a long way to go.

The inquiry team is composed of specialists in many areas, including health and safety, product liability law, commercial disputes, the construction industry, and public inquiry law. One member was until recently the head of the international Criminality unit at the Home Office.

The report, when it comes, will go direct to the Prime Minister, and she has promised that it will be shown to parliament in full - the spotlight will be well and truly on the whole process. Finding scapegoats is not an option, especially when prosecutions for corporate manslaughter are entirely possible later.

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